tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post8456097424192229371..comments2024-03-26T14:48:17.294+08:00Comments on Tikno Viewpoint: VETO VS DEMOCRACYTiknohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05733973438543735098noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-35449222796761523152024-03-25T00:51:56.496+08:002024-03-25T00:51:56.496+08:00we need veto to restore order to avoid chaos..... ...we need veto to restore order to avoid chaos..... not all situations are normal to allow freedom of speech.Tanza Erlambang - Sawan Fibriosishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00650530539848685060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-89981370606834473962017-09-15T22:25:49.034+08:002017-09-15T22:25:49.034+08:00Hi Ross,
As you say "the fire road".
It&...Hi Ross,<br />As you say "the fire road".<br />It's like a mission impossible. I also argue that veto power is often used for their own interests as illustrated by the picture in this post. I purposely using that picture (I created it myself) to satirize.Tiknohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733973438543735098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-61521815693932387802017-09-08T18:48:16.523+08:002017-09-08T18:48:16.523+08:00I think Jim Belshaw's option about global demo...I think Jim Belshaw's option about global democracy is like a fire road as each nation has its own interest, difficult to become reality as Oigal said above : "nice dream but not reality".<br />I doubt if the permanent members of the UN Security Council are willing to share the veto to the other eligible countries. They're enjoy of their privilage.Rossnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-3055149830423333722011-05-11T20:23:36.460+08:002011-05-11T20:23:36.460+08:00@ Anonymous,
Yes I also think that is an old fashi...@ Anonymous,<br />Yes I also think that is an old fashioned thing in present century.<br /><br />Usaha Mesin,<br />Itu baik asalkan bisa diterapkan berdasarkan motivasi yang tulus. Namun dunia politik tetap kejam.Tiknohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733973438543735098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-48160449904274593042011-05-10T05:07:14.189+08:002011-05-10T05:07:14.189+08:00Veto Vs Democracy = Menang jadi abu, kalah jadi ar...Veto Vs Democracy = Menang jadi abu, kalah jadi arang.<br /><br />Saya pikir nilai/ harga dari Veto / Democracy bukanlah pada ego masing-masing kelompok, melainkan bagaimana peran masing-masing pihak untuk memberikan manfaat positif bagi semua warga bumi.<br /><br />Salam damai.Usaha Mesin dot comhttp://www.usahamesin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-34122808509212676362011-04-29T09:15:38.921+08:002011-04-29T09:15:38.921+08:00I happened to stop by here through browsing. It se...I happened to stop by here through browsing. It seems a very thought-provoking post. Well, as the democracy wave has been widespread nowaday no doubt I say the right of veto is something that is already outdated aka old fashioned. Moreover the veto right was often misused aka subjective. As I see on the image above one can beat majority votes. It's utterly against the democracy spirit which it often preached by the big 5 even the UN.<br /><br />AmirAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-38776724922091780302010-05-27T04:00:53.560+08:002010-05-27T04:00:53.560+08:00Hi democracy is the answer cause anarchy only brin...Hi democracy is the answer cause anarchy only bring destruction ,so i prefer democracy.Buy Viagrahttp://www.xlpharmacy.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-42903210757366666142010-05-27T03:58:46.185+08:002010-05-27T03:58:46.185+08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-22636841282628250542010-05-27T03:55:35.540+08:002010-05-27T03:55:35.540+08:00hihiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-51416220831488226982010-05-17T15:12:07.957+08:002010-05-17T15:12:07.957+08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.日月神教-任我行https://www.blogger.com/profile/00629261950873803981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-35044176787871725712009-05-24T12:27:30.471+08:002009-05-24T12:27:30.471+08:00I think, American always thought that they were ri...I think, American always thought that they were right, maybe a half god. It make them often confronted by the other country. They have no tolerate to the other world opinion.Anthony Mohammed Robbinshttp://www.tomoriku.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-41034681764193881172009-02-07T23:05:00.000+08:002009-02-07T23:05:00.000+08:00Dear Abdul Wahab Kiak,Maybe you right.Dear Abdul Wahab Kiak,<BR/>Maybe you right.Tiknohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733973438543735098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-37043543721004510652009-02-05T23:41:00.000+08:002009-02-05T23:41:00.000+08:00Pada dasarnya "the United States, Russia, the Peop...Pada dasarnya "the United States, Russia, the People's Republic of China, France and the United Kingdom", adalah negara adi kuasa karena memang mereka mewarisi itu turun temurun sejak pemimpin mereka yang terdahulu. Sehingga ini merupakan tradisi yang menguntungkan bagi pihak mereka.<BR/><BR/>Sedangkan Demokrasi berlaku bagi negara-negara yang sedang berkembang dan negara maju. Sehingga hukum rimba tetap berlanjut walau di zaman modern ini. <BR/><BR/>Walaupun demikian apapun yang terjadi di dunia nyata baik "Veto atau Demokrasi", kita semua sudah kalah dengan suatu dunia besar yang tak berbatas wilayahnya, yaitu INTERNET (Dunia Maya) yang punya power super luar biasa. Tanpa ada pihak-pihak yang mampu membendung kekuasaannya.<BR/><BR/>Sehingga apa artinya suatu kekaisaran jika tidak seutuhnya benar-benar mengusai dunia!!!<BR/>I thing live is like a game.<BR/><BR/>Saya percaya setiap orang punya wilayah kemerdekaan masing-masing, walaupun itu hanya merdeka di dalam hati/bathin.<BR/>Salam merdeka buat semua..ABDUL WAHAB KIAKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01026480199621859151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-32561861043006649842009-01-27T03:47:00.000+08:002009-01-27T03:47:00.000+08:00Dear Dilasari Hidayat,I also hope like that, thank...Dear Dilasari Hidayat,<BR/>I also hope like that, thank you for your comment.<BR/>-------------------------------------<BR/>Dear WhiteShadow,<BR/>I have see it and will keep it in my heart forever. Thank you very much.Tiknohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733973438543735098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-69427541503529268712009-01-23T14:14:00.000+08:002009-01-23T14:14:00.000+08:00Check out my blog. I got you tagged...Check out my blog. I got you tagged...WHITEShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14630457246118410762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-41384559100323449392009-01-23T01:46:00.000+08:002009-01-23T01:46:00.000+08:00I would pray that the UN will abolish the using of...I would pray that the UN will abolish the using of veto powers entirely, which means that each nation has equal voice and decisions are then made based on majority voices. I think that is the only way to create peace in this world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-6494130899845561272009-01-22T21:43:00.000+08:002009-01-22T21:43:00.000+08:00Dear Latqueire, thanks for coming.----------------...Dear Latqueire, thanks for coming.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/><BR/>Dear Pj,<BR/>I am very interested to your worries about "protection against the dictatorship of the majority and mitigates radical change".<BR/>Very good thinking.<BR/><BR/>About the single world government as like you said above, if also having "Veto", I think will brings the opportunity of the greatly dictator. I think using law (constitution) to prevent majority superior.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/><BR/>Dear Erwin Sapta,<BR/>Thank you for your comment.<BR/>--------------------------<BR/>Dear Edi Psw, yes.Tiknohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733973438543735098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-39204142120169723392009-01-22T16:21:00.000+08:002009-01-22T16:21:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-63319858551065818782009-01-22T13:29:00.000+08:002009-01-22T13:29:00.000+08:00Kalo di Indonesia rasanya lebih cocok yang demokra...Kalo di Indonesia rasanya lebih cocok yang demokrasi ya?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-5563879522080043642009-01-22T11:34:00.000+08:002009-01-22T11:34:00.000+08:00Veto ‡ Democracy, Veto = just to show, who's the s...Veto ‡ Democracy, Veto = just to show, who's the strong and weak.<BR/><BR/>Kunjungan balik nih, thanks for coming to http://www.sapta.web.idAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-18270609070895958852009-01-21T22:00:00.000+08:002009-01-21T22:00:00.000+08:00I think vetos are still necessary in this day and ...I think vetos are still necessary in this day and age. The romans invested tribunes with the power of veto to protect the interests of the plebians angainst that of the patricians. The veto if used wisely provides for protection against the dictatorship of the majority and mitigates radical change. Now, if there was a single world government and without regional disparities you may have a point but until that day...pjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14482542083622607305noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-15242563735521361632009-01-21T19:17:00.001+08:002009-01-21T19:17:00.001+08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-45446199284682999182009-01-21T14:05:00.000+08:002009-01-21T14:05:00.000+08:00I have no Idea about this Issue.. Thanks for comin...I have no Idea about this Issue.. Thanks for coming broAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-69864851136949062992009-01-20T19:07:00.000+08:002009-01-20T19:07:00.000+08:00Dear Anok,Although between them have a different m...Dear Anok,<BR/>Although between them have a different meaning, but the most important is "Veto" (absolute) could be said has violates the spirit of democracy (majority / togetherness spirit).<BR/><BR/>According to the comment from Jim Belshaw above, the present arrangements are certainly not democratic and represent history.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you "offering votes, and not vetos." Thank you, Anok.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>Dear Jenai,<BR/>Thank you. I am also want to know about the "detail" from your mind, and perhaps all readers here.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>Dear Hapi, thanks.<BR/>-----------------------------------<BR/>Dear Munawar,<BR/>I also dislike all the the things that irrational and destroying humanity. Could you more detail?Tiknohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733973438543735098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3175521427977058884.post-5654083426652321122009-01-20T15:39:00.000+08:002009-01-20T15:39:00.000+08:00I agree with both veto and democracy as a politica...I agree with both veto and democracy as a political views point, at the opposite I really disagree with all of conclusion arise from both that irrational and destroying humanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com